It seems that all ENS users strongly said âNoâ in raise price(at any level), but seems ENS team just cannot be convinced and itâs difficult to stop them from being arbitrary.
Changing the price structure halfway, especially raising price at any level, is moving the foundation of a domain project. Remember, ENS is a cool decentralized project, what if you guys are wrong when you really want to be centralized once? The building will shake!
According to what I just read from users and project team, I think right now no change is better than any change, because any centralized decision could be an inconsiderate decision.
Letâs take a look how ENSâs competitor is doing: .cryptop
.crypto does not have renewal expense, one time purchase, permenant use. Can .crypto at some day suddenly say: all the purchased domain will have renewal fee moving forward? No! Otherwise thatâs clearly suiside, right?
If ENS consider to raise price for one year(reduce for long term), although itâs difference from free renew to charge renew case of .crypto, canât you say this is the basically the same thing?
Recent gas fee is high, but user and moneys will know what is the best thing to do, market will fit in itself, they will register later, they will register for more years to save gas if they like to do that, they just donât like YOU to think too much for them and setup new roles attracting them to go all in your ways, especially this might make their previously preferred option more expensive!
I already suggested an example where the one-year renewal fee stays the same price and it only gives a discount on longer renewal. Any feedback on the idea?
As stake length increases â decrease the average yearly fee.
For single â1 yearâ of registrations â donât increase the yearly fee.
In terms of messaging:
The âreoccurring feesâ keep the ENS alive, to place âforgotten/unused namesâ, and ânames lost with lost walletsâ, back into circulation. This prevents the system from becoming stagnant.
There is no increase in âreoccurring feesâ, because (as a non-profit) the goal is not to produce profit for shareholders; the ENS goal is to increase âreal usage and user adoptionâ, for all persons around the globe).
The fee discount (for registering for multiple years), is to reward long term usage, and encourage real users to register their names longer; preventing âforgotten renewalsâ.
Questions:
With the âintegrated notification systemâ option, when the ENS user registers-renews their ENS name, could we encourage them to give their Twitter/Email (for notification reasons only), so the user can get notified without having to add the ENS to their Twitter bio?
When a domain name âexpiresâ, it has 90-days before it âdropsâ to the pool.
During those 90-days, (when viewed with the .link) can the ENS name display a message, (either full page, or as a header ribbon), somehow?
Yes, I agree 100% on this proposal. Seems more reasonable, rational, not a one get hurt, and by doing this you team are actually giving away part of your profit(collecting less renewal fee for long run), which perfectly proved that you guys are a non-profit organization. æé«
Why has the discussion become so aggressive? As far as I can tell @nick.eth and @matoken.eth are only trying to discuss ways to make ENS better for users. I havenât seen many ideas from others (me included). I canât think of a better way to discuss this in the open. So instead of pointing fingers maybe we all should try to stay calm and discuss the subject?
@nick.eth I donât think you shouldnât discuss pricing, but I donât think that dwelling on squatters will not help. Squatters always find a way.
To all the people who think that users should remember their important assets I would recommend volunteering at a TLD help desk. I could give you countless anecdotes about online(!!!) business with expired domains.
Can anyone legitimately register any domain, example âabcdef.ETHâ other than being an Ethiopian domain that someone can then type into a web browser: http://www.abcdef.ETH" and it will resolve to their web page? I need this question answered clearly before I can comment on the value of an .ETH domain other than simply using it as a shortened method of payment or wallet name (for only some sites)
In other words the answer is no. Kinda defeats the purpose of a short domain name, doesnât it? or even calling it a domain name? And then youâre paying for both ENS and LINK domains. No thanks.
The critical or possibly fatal error long ago was using â.ethâ as the âdomainâ names when it was known then that ETH was already accepted by the world as Ethiopian. Coulda woulda shoulda
Ok, Itâs cool to be able to say âsend your ETH to nhirsch.ethâ but even that only works for some websites. The so called âdomainâ aspect, I donât see the use case and itâs ludicrous to see the high rentals for such and the developers so concerned with squatters.
Maybe a big whale will buy Ethiopia or maybe Arachnid and others can establish ENS headquarters in Addis Ababa.
The model of web2.0 is for traditional TLDs to associate human readable names with IP addresses that mounted on the web servers which hosted by centralized ISPs such as AWS.
The model of web3.0 is for decentralized blockchain domains(such as .eth) to associate human readable names with IPFS hashes that mounted on website content file, that hosted by distributed IPFS system.
Yes, ENS is a domain for website hosting, for but web3.0.
And no, ENS doesnât do IP address association, because it is designed to realize some higher level mission.
100+ crypto asset addressâ association, web3.0 association, social media association, multi-level sub-domain matrix, all the association is managed on-chain without any centralized element. ENS is the unique ID of everyone in the coming digital world, and that is why we are all here.
Late? I believe I was a party either in the first or second transfer of ETH from one ENS name to another. I remember arachnid had to fix something before it even went through.
It looks like the conversation started diverging to non-related topics. I will close this topic if this escalates. Please start a new thread if you feel strongly about discussing a specific topic but please respect others and keep the conversation civilized.
NOTE: I will organise another ENS workshop in the next few months so that you can discuss it directly with the ENS team and other community members.